I was just attacked in Bike and Hike

Badass#1

I filed a police report, but am still undecided whether to press
charges, since I didn't get hurt. But what do you do when somone
attacks you to try and win an argument.

I was attempting to warranty a pair of Endura waterproof pants that
didn't turn out to be very waterproof. The seam taping has cracks in
it that do a magnificent job of funneling water directly above my
knees, soaking my pants. Since I only wore them twice, they look fine
on the outside. The employee Paul (he told me he was the manager)
decided that I was asking too much of a pair of pants and wouldn't
warranty them. I of course, started to get irate that I spent $130 on
a pair of pants that don't do what a $20 pair does. Since I obviously
wanted somthing he wasn't about to give me, he deiced to end the
discussion. Within 30 seconds it went from "You're going to have to
leave" to assault. He called for help, rushed me, hit me, then thought
better of it, and then pushed and wrestled me to the door. Since I was
still arguing my dissatifaction with the pants, I wasn't really
resisting, and no one was seriously hurt. But I was still attacked
because Paul didn't want to accept the fact that these rainpants leave
my thighs itchy after a little ride in the rain.

Anybody know who this guy might be? Anyone know how to get in touch with the owner of the shop?

WARCHILD · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:

Holy WTF!

that is juicy! Glad you're okay, You should ask for an apology and your money back - at the very least.

If you are really pissed you should take it to the people - email the shift list, the mercury, wweek with your story. Turning it into a PR nightmare is way more effective than dealing with the cops.

Go even further, check out http://www.consumerist.com/ they eat stories like this up and have a huge national readership. I bet you could get hundreds of complaints clogging the managers inbox:)
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i runs yuo down in my chevy. I manly man, you puss puss, fukkers, you.

Calendar of zoobomb events:
http://tinyurl.com/33qcxu

joshuadallman · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject:

Natural Blunder · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject:

Wow, Now that's what I call corporate loyalty. Did you get his name? Was he the manager/assistant/clerk. What time and day did this happen? Do they have in store security cameras? Could they identify forty people on minis riding through their store? okay got the phonebook....that number, the oh so magicial number to dial and lodge many a harrassing call is 503-736-1074. Set war cells to fired Spock!

Almost forgot, they were nice/stupid enough to give me the e-mail of the owner.... for charity! Ha HA HEH (you sly devil you) bnhportland@integra.net
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Badass#1 · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject:

I'm totally fine. I was too busy trying to take his picture with my
cell phone for things to get violent. It would have been a sweet shot, but it just takes too long to load and focus.

joshuadallman · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject:

good social hack on the email address
I wrote a strongly worded email to the recepient
(don't mess with me or I'll write a strongly worded email to you too punk!)
if my post was ambiguous the point is that this is assault and battery
make sure there's a police record and yeah you could sue
the apartment manager of my building got drunk one night and did the same
he was fired in less than a day and I got a lawyer to sue the property management company to pay for my moving out (the manager was hanging around the building afterwards and approached me on one occassion after the incident)
unfortunately all I could afford was the threat of sueing and not an acutal lawsuit so they called my bluff and I got nothin but a few hundred dollar lawyer bill
so yes, it is absolutely assault and battery, but unless you have money to sue there's not much you can do but get the dude fired and for godsakes get a fuckin refund and apology from the store owner
that or find out when this creep is working next and the zoocrew will roll up on his punk ass

SkidMark · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:

I have some Burley rain pants that never leak. I have also bought a 40 dollar rain suit and had it not leak until I split the crotch after about 3 years of beating on. If your pants are new then they are defective. Rain Pants actually work really well.
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cupcake · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

shouldn't a guy named badass #1 kick the shit out of the bikenhike bro?
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Bumble The Boy Wonder · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:

Press charges, get him fired, do worse if you can. This is absolute bullshit. Mail EVERYONE, especially bike portland.
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Badass#1 · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject:

felix · Site Admin

Wow! If everything your saying is true then I say we launch an all out PR war on all Bike N Hikes. I have purchased 2 bikes and a lot of parts there and if this is how they act on a return I can shop at Bike Gallery or online at DansComp.com
I personally do not know Paul and have only had good experiences in the shop but will quit going there if this is true.

Was this the one on Grand?

Here is the info.

400 S.E. Grand Ave.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 736-1074
Fax: (503) 233-7358

UPDATE: I emailed the owner of Bike & Hike and asked him to respond on this forum.

felix

bikeportland · Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject:

hey Scott,
sorry to hear this. and thanks for sending the info to me.

email bike-h-hike owner Kevin Chudy right away and get his vibe.

chudy@spiritone.com

let us know what you hear from him. i will forward your message to Kevin also.

Kevin is a great supporter of the BTA and he advertises on my site... so I can't write anything negative about his shop.... just kidding.

I will figure out how to present this on the site . I will likely not post anything until I hear from Kevin and/or the employee (but I doubt he will talk to me) please keep me posted on any developments...
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bikeportland · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:28 am Post subject:

well I've talked to both #1 badass and to store owner Kevin Chudy.

both have very different feelings and versions of the story.

without being there, it is hard to really know what happened. I think both sides sincerely believe they were in the right.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to present the story.
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joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:

you could present it as "zoobombers call for boycott of bike and hike after alleged attack" and simply present both sides of the story.

bottom line: badass did nothing but talk, the employee initiated physical contact with him. how fucked is that.

WARCHILD · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:41 am Post subject:

So was Kevin there at the scene or did he hear the story from Paul?

Because that would obviously make a big difference on what his side of the story is...
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why kills elfants and kitt katts, eh? you fukkers, if I teh PABLO sees you wit bums at zoo to kill anmils,
i runs yuo down in my chevy. I manly man, you puss puss, fukkers, you.

Calendar of zoobomb events:
http://tinyurl.com/33qcxu

Badass#1 · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

After talking with the owner Keving Chudy, and hearing that he considers Paul to be in the right to attack a customer, I am more surprised than ever.
It turns out that Kevin Chudy was present in the store at the time, which is funny because he is the one I wanted to talk to when Paul became belligerent. It was in fact my insistence to talk to the owner that caused Paul to physically assault me. Kevin's story that I was some sort of threat is a complete lie, and these guys are going to back each other up in order to try and come out clean. Kevin wasn't involved, and probably didn't see anything, so it is only Paul's statements, and since he is the one who provoked the incident, of course he is going to lie to protect himself.
I'm currently communicating with the police, so stand by.

Bumble The Boy Wonder · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

Minni bike picket line?
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joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:02 am Post subject:

Nah forget a picket, one of the best forms of protest and self-empowerment, and one of the most practical too, is to take what is yours. The only thing that hurts a capitalist is taking their capital. And nothing compares to the feeling of elation, of burdens being lifted and injustices leveled, than walking out of a store that fucked you with their products lining your pockets. Direct action!

joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:25 am Post subject:

b'n'h has a VERY active online forum:
http://bikenhike.com/bikespeak/categories.cfm?catid=36

I suggest keeping a post alive there too:
http://bikenhike.com/bikespeak/messageview.cfm?catid=36&threadid=9476

Anyone have access to a fax machine they can fax an endless loop fax from?

Albany Fax: (541) 928-4262
Beaverton Fax: (503) 643-0970
Corvallis Fax: (541) 754-3670
Hillsboro Fax: (503) 693-7591
Milwaukie Fax: (503) 659-4099
Portland Fax: (503) 233-7358

And is Keving Chudy the owner of ALL SIX locations or just the Portland one, is it franchised, ???

WARCHILD · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:33 am Post subject:

My email to kevin:

joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:36 am Post subject:

Three more you can contact for newsworthiness (I especially reccommend a Rogue of the Week nomination):

Portland Mercury
lovenotes@portlandmercury.com

Wweek
Henry Stern, Managing News Editor,rogue nominations
hstern@wweek.com

The Daily Vanguard
David Holley, News Editor
news@dailyvanguard.com

joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:48 am Post subject:

reprinted from the bike'n'hike forum
(in case their thread gets deleted by an admin):

revphil · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: bull to the shit!

ive never seen Scott be anything but a mild mannered superhuman who can crush hills on a mini like so many empty aluminum cans.

this whole thing is so disturbing. I can only imagine that there is some serious inbreeding going on with Mr Return Paulicy and the owner Kevin for him to seriously back this shit up.

Witnesses?

There is something more going on. Those must have been embezzled rain pants!

Im glad you are on top of things, Scott. If you need help, we are here for ya.
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felix · Site Admin

Poly isn't banned. Maybe he forgot his password?

felix

joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject:

One more to get the word out (Portland Indymedia):

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/05/359234.shtml

joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject:

Form to file a complaint against Bike N Hike with the Better Business Bureau of OR/WA:

http://seatac.ebindr.com/complaint/new/22043114/

Complaint FAQ:

http://orwwa.bbb.org/commoncomplaint.html

Bumble The Boy Wonder · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject:

New sticker/ sign ideas.
"buyer beware, it's violent in there!"
"ask about their combative new return paulicy"
"bike n hike, giving the portland bike community a shove since 2007"
feel free to help me out here, I'm not that creative.
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Bjorn · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject:

When I was 12 I got hit by a car on the highway. I broke 7 bones and spent 8 days in the hospital but somehow my bike looked worse than me afterwards. It was a total loss bent frame, taco'd wheels etc...the car probably ran over it. The owner of bike and hike called my parents up before I was even out of the hospital and quietly gave me a brand new bike because he had heard that mine was destroyed. Who knows if I even would have gotten back on a bike if I hadn't had one to ride while I still had my casts on. I don't personally know the owner of bike and hike, in fact I never met him, but he isn't all bad and I hope that given some time and perhaps some concessions from both sides this will be resolved.

Bjorn

Shep

http://www.bta4bikes.org/alice/Nominees2007.php
Shopkeep just got a BTA "Alice Award" this year.

I've never doubted that he's a good guy or that this is a good shop. That's why I don't understand why he's got his employee's back on this. Something's wrong here. I trust Scott. Why would he make this up? We're talkin' about a pair of pants, here!

WARCHILD · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I just realized (thanks shep) he got an alice award this year for some great programs.
http://www.bta4bikes.org/alice/Nominees2007.php#Chudy

He is probably just covering for an employee fuck-up and will soon realize his mistake.
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why kills elfants and kitt katts, eh? you fukkers, if I teh PABLO sees you wit bums at zoo to kill anmils,
i runs yuo down in my chevy. I manly man, you puss puss, fukkers, you.

Calendar of zoobomb events:
http://tinyurl.com/33qcxu

Badass#1 · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject:

I'd have to say that the owner of the shop has been very reasonable in the past, and it was actually Paul who assaulted me. This guy took it upon himself to attack me rather than deal with the argument in a civil way. I don't see any reason to condemn the entire shop, except for the fact that Kevin threatened to sue me when I spoke with him on the phone, and said he was standing by his employee.

Shep · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Stand by your man.

I'm all for standing by your employees...but not so much when they hit customers. Did he witness the incident?

Kevin Chudy: #1 Dumbass.

felix · Site Admin

Sue you for what? Telling your side of the story?

"At Bike N Hike we guarantee you will love our products, if you don't we will kick your ass"

felix

joshuadallman · Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

wow no refund AND threat of counter-sue for telling your story?
and they're not even offering to pinch your nipples while they screw you?

revphil

http://bikeportland.org/2007/05/10/customer-attacked-at-local-bike-shop/

and the beats keep on getting beaten
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yes, i pooped in the mercury's yard. I have my <a href="http://www.portlandstories.org/northwest/i_am_a_victim_of_hate_crime_and_pabst"> (er whatever) reasons</a>.

cupcake · Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:

well pollyhead is gone so we can celebrate that!!!!!!!!!

wtf does "just dot him in the eye and run away." mean????????????
fuck it who cares?!!?
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Kinda up and down!!!

Natural Blunder · Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:21 am Post subject:

Awwwww, could a guy with the cutest kitten in the whole world for his avatar be a dangerous homicidal customer? No he can't, oohhh nooo he caaan't. You should change your screen name to something like "Puss Puss" for added cuteness. I have never personally liked the way BNH has treated me when I come in, with the "can I take your bag" or "can I help you with something" from everyone. The lack of anything noticably created by our talented local bike enthusiasts andthe pretty jacked up prices don't help. "Have a good day, and thanks for shopping at Wal-bike" is what I hear when I leave, not having purchased anything, and feeling awkward that a bike store would follow me from aisle to aisle just because I don't look like one of there spandex warrior shoppers with $5000 track bikes who throw their bike on a car to get where they want to cycle for a few miles, and then lose interest and toss that bike in storage, never to be seen again.
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joshuadallman · Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject:

from "ForumAdmin@bikespeak.com"
mailed-by bikespeak.com

We have deleted your post. We are sorry to hear of your incident. I hope it gets resolved in a satisfactory manner.

Thanks,
Moderators

joshuadallman · Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject:

from a portland imc thread comment:

revphil

scott, do you know what you want from this?
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Badass#1 · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject:

At this point, I'll be going through another shop to deal with Endura. Otherwise, both Paul and Kevin need to realize that he criminally assaulted a customer.

dingodizmal · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: I gotta agree wiyth cup cake

If your name is Badass#1 you should have grabbed his jaw with your bare hand and pulled his head to the floor and then curbed him on some sporting goods.
For the longest time my only version of "Shopping" involved violence and light kidnapping.
Give me a call baddass#1` if you would like to take bad ass lessons from a clown.

cupcake · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:21 am Post subject:

good call
AND if you had shoplifted the pants, they still would have failed, but you wouldnt have to return them
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Shreddz · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: pants, pants, pants

[quote="Badass#1"]I'd have to say that the owner of the shop has been very reasonable in the past, and it was actually Paul who assaulted me. This guy took it upon himself to attack me rather than deal with the argument in a civil way. I don't see any reason to condemn the entire shop, except for the fact that Kevin threatened to sue me when I spoke with him on the phone, and said he was standing by his employee.[/quote]

Not to stick my nose in, but I'm a little familiar with this stuff.
It sounds like the only reason that this guy is sticking by his employee is because he has to - under Agency and Tort law, he would be just as on the hook as ole' punchy there.
Also, I would be curious what he is threatening to sue you with, unless he has an imaginary court system where truth isn't a defense to slander or any of its brethren 95% of the time.

Kellie

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